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Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 426

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 425

tyto4tme4l

Something of an artist
A compilation of my earlier entries that haven’t been done yet:
“Wallpaper” should be additionally implied by these things:
ponygen wallpapers, iphone wallpaper, phone wallpaper, wallpaper edit, wallpaper for the fearless
https://tantabus.ai/tags/wallpaper
“Close up” should be implied by these things:
close up series, extreme close-up
https://tantabus.ai/tags/close-dash-up
“Moon” should have an alias “the moon” and be additionally implied by:
blood moon, blue moon, crescent moon, mare in the moon, sleeping on moon
https://tantabus.ai/tags/moon
“Petting” should be implied by:
human on pony petting, human on zebra petting
https://tantabus.ai/tags/petting
“Bodypaint” should have aliases “body paint, body painting” and be implied by “painted on clothing”.
https://tantabus.ai/tags/bodypaint
“Laptop computer” should imply “computer”, be implied by “macbook” and have an alias “laptop”.
https://tantabus.ai/tags/laptop+computer
“Wingless” should have these aliases added:
no wings, wingless pegasus, no wing
https://tantabus.ai/tags/wingless
“Legs up” should be aliased to “legs in air”.
https://tantabus.ai/tags/legs+up
https://tantabus.ai/tags/legs+in+air
“Maid” should have these aliases added:
maid costume, maid uniform, maid dress
https://tantabus.ai/tags/maid
“Summer flare” should be removed from the implications for “cinder glow”, it’s already its alias.
https://tantabus.ai/tags/cinder+glow
“:p” should imply “tongue out” and have these aliases:
bleping, blep, blepping, =p, bleb
“Holding object” should probably be aliased to “holding”.
https://tantabus.ai/tags/holding+object
https://tantabus.ai/tags/holding

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 424

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 423

Tagging Discussion » Schrodinger's/Ambiguous Characters » Post 3

Right, so keep “ambiguous character” official, “Schrodinger’s character” as an alias, and do away with “Schrodiner’s Spyro” until and unless it becomes common enough to warrant a separate tag…
About as I would have expected in hindsight.
Incidentally, I do strongly believe unique tags aren’t always bad. If something is rare, sometimes that means it is a highly memorable, and possibly THE most memorable thing about the image.

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Tagging Discussion » General Tag Discussion » Post 32

Background Pony #1302
@Nocturn
To me, offscreen male sounds like he’s depicted (not just implied), but mostly off-screen. This mostly means only legs or hands are depicted.
Faceless male sounds like male without a face. If we go in the direction the tag description tries to define, I guess the description should say something like “he’s mostly there, but his head is out of the frame”.

Tagging Discussion » General Tag Discussion » Post 31

Nocturn

Senior Moderator
Adjutant
@Background Pony #1302
Not necessarily. This site is not that site, and some of the implications and tags on that site are from more than a decade ago. And for those very oldest of all implications that came from when implications first came into existence in BooruOnRails, those implications have had time to evolve and expose a great number of “whoops, that isn’t actually useful” or even “Holy shit that was a mistake how do we fix it?” along the way.
For example, the short definition of faceless male is “a male character is partially present (physically)”, and to me that sounds more like how offscreen male is used - even though that really has become a term that means NONE of the male is onscreen, but that’s what we have implied [foo] tags for.
So … We aren’t Derpi. We inherited their tags because it would have been dumb to abandon the enormous amount of tagging that had already happened on the images we imported, and along with those imports came the whole spider web of ‘how all these tags fit together’. But, over time, we keep finding dumb tags, or dumb implementations, or flawed alaises. Many things that made sense when they were created but over time have ended up being dumb.
Maybe, just maybe, The Old Ones who created the infinite potential and chaos that was the soup from whence Derpi was birthed made mistakes that Derpi could never rectify because The Old Ones still haunted their database to such an extend that their mistakes and “Try this let’s see if it works” ended up becoming crystalized like ancient diamonds.
2LDR: Maybe we can tag intentionally and over time our tags will end up better. Sometimes tagging changes on Derpi make sense and can benefit us. But sometimes they look wrong or cause problems that we don’t want to deal with, or have dealt with in different ways. This specific set of tags? Looks wrong to me.
I would not be comfortable making those implications without a good long chatting with the tagging wonks and an even longer “let’s sleep on it”.
After all, on this site something with 8K tags is 10% of the database, and that’s a great bit old chunk of images to retroactively apply or remove tags from when an implication changes.

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tyto4tme4l

Something of an artist
What’s the difference between “faceless male” and “offscreen male”? I thought “faceless male” should be used when the male’s head is visible but doesn’t have a defined face (like in the picture below), but this tag implies “offscreen male” for some reason.

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 416

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 415

Nocturn

Senior Moderator
Adjutant
I did update both the Rarity and Twilight versions to imply the character. However, I also didn’t add the anal slut as an implication.
Huh, why not the anal slut one?
Looking at the use of that tag, it seems to keep getting added to images that don’t show anal, so even adding the implication anal is not a great idea.
Also, while Coco Pommel is an anal slut is a funny and friendly community tag, like shining armor is a goddamn moron, implying slut or anal slut, or even adding those to the same images, is different by many degrees.
It’s like having the Shining Armor tag imply goddamn moron or moron. An image qualifying for shining armor is a goddamned moron doesn’t mean he’s really being a moron or that the image is worth vulgarity. Sometimes he’s just being his adorkable self. In the same way, Coco Pommel may be getting all hot and bothered and putting a hoof over her butt simply because of the mere presence of anal toys (or suggestively shaped vegetables) sitting on a shelf, so the coco is an anal slut tag would be appropriate, but implying anal slut is not, any more than anal would be.
Also, the slut tag in and of itself is much more derogatory, and is something that often ends up causing some tag warring, like the tag whore, which some people use too subjectively because of their own hangups about fetishes. So, personally, I am not a fan of adding those implications.

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 414

Nocturn

Senior Moderator
Adjutant
@Background Pony #356F - There’s a bunch of camera angles, maybe they should be handled more as a group. Could you please open a new thread in the tagging discussion forum? I will when I get more time but right now I’m kind of swamped with other things.
@Pipette Poster - Set up your creator link.
@Background Pony #356F - done, also added the implication makeup to all the images that were missing it.
I’ll look through this thread more when I get caught up with some other stuff. In the meantime, if you are waiting for an alias, particularly for creator tags, please ask again and I’ll treat it as a priority.
Also, the more detail you put into why one tag should be aliased into another tag will help - don’t assume I or anyone else on staff knows which character is also which other character in a show other than MLP.

Tagging Discussion » Schrodinger's/Ambiguous Characters » Post 1

Nocturn

Senior Moderator
Adjutant
Schrodinger's Spyro seems a little specific, unless there’s a lot of unspecific dragons that look like Spyro. So … maybe Schrodinger's Character which is an alias of the main tag Ambiguous Character? That way the evocative fun tag still works but the more generalized and universal tag is there to bind them all together in the darkness and chaos.
Shrodinger's Spyro can remain a separate character if you think it’s good, and it can imply ambiguous character so people who are either looking for or want to hide those can do so without a translation guide.
Let me know how it ends up - you can send me a PM.

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 413

Tagging Discussion » General "Whoa this tag is missing stuff!" Thread » Post 412

Background Pony #356F
How about merging high angle and from above? I don’t think there’s a difference.

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