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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 134

Background Pony #04CD
@Admin
Soo am I reading this right
We can copy styles as long as they not for sale and we properly credit tag them right?
Contentious theme is understandable
Sounds good to me
In terms of tags it should go like “artist:(used style)” and “prompter:(prompter himself)”?
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 133

Admin

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Merry Christmas.
And also, rules update for issues several have voiced concern about:
Rule #9, for image quality, has been amended to be less strict.
  • Short of an image looking like a late-state Picasso painting from the thumbnail itself, staff only expect the issues to be properly tagged
  • Images of exceptionally poor quality or with absurd errors may still be removed. The tech is well past the point where errors like >>2964 are “OK”
    • If you’re going for Thingpone or some sort of nightmare fuel, that’s understandable, but passing random failed generations as “I’m just channeling my inner Dali” isn’t
  • Tag Guidelines page has been updated, and relevant tags created and flagged as “important”
  • An additional default filter has been set up that spoilers these sort of common quality issues
    • This isn’t really meant as a common use filter, but is a convenience for anyone wanting to copy them to their own filters
In regards to Rule #1, ie. “style copying”
  • Text hasn’t changed since last revision, but policy has been clarified within staff (holidays etc.); apologies to anyone affected in the meanwhile
  • We may delete images that unabashedly mimic existing artists if these appear to be harmful to their business or reputation
    • eg. claiming to be the artist to take up commissions or merch sales
    • or using the artist’s style to create images of a contentious theme, or one the artist is known to be against
  • Images looking “kind of in the style of” or “giving the vibe of” are not a concern
  • We (still) do not care about what prompts, models, LORAs, workflows, brushes, or whatever tools used
Some of the text in the AI Quality page will need updating, but bear with us as that might take some time. As well, we’re aware that there are bits and bobs here still missing or looking funny; we’ll work on sorting things out as soon as possible.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 131

Button Fixer

@Admin
That’s fair enough about the name. I still think the addition of booru would be good, since it is very recognisiable and people know what a booru is.
Just a minor issue, but would it be possible to get images I have previously uploaded, added to the My Uploads tab? It’d be nice to see everything that originally came from me on here.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 130

Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 129

Admin

Administrator
@Button Fixer
There is no plan to import non-AI images; this places’ focus should be, well focused on AI.
That said there is a planned feature down the line that could make life easier on that front.
As for the name, I chose tantabus because I really liked its design, it gave us Nightmare Moon, and it’s a play off how every other AI related site really goes full ham with “dream this” and “dream that”. I’d really rather avoid “sweetie” in the name as that’s a CMC character, and while Sweetie Bot is popular in much of the fandom, she’s still a minor, so the implications on site purpose from that are… not great.
If there’s some big clamor for a name change we might look into it, maybe to coincide with a big feature update or something, but honestly I’d rather not.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 128

🐴

nickers softly @u
@Button Fixer
I’m pretty sure the other altboorus already mirror both new uploads to here and Derpi. The real question is whether you can tolerate the active users or the crickets elsewhere.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 127

Button Fixer

@Admin
Hey just a thought. Is it possible to import all the non AI art from Derpi onto here as well, and have it so that all new uploads on Derpi are immediately imported to here as well like the other Altboorus do?
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Putting on a User hat rather than an Artist hat, I can’t really see myself using two different websites for pony content. If everything was available here in one place, then It would be insanely convenient (like Derpi was until two weeks ago). If you had all the content here, then I could see the site becoming more popular than Derpibooru over time.
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I don’t know what your hosting resources are like, but if it’s possible it would be great to see. Considering there is currently no limit to the number of uploads people can post, there must be considerable resources behind it.
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I also think that Tantabus.ai is not a good name, considering a Tantabus is a soul sucking horror. It feels like someone who doesn’t like AI came up with it. I think Sweetiebottru.ai or Sweetiebooru.ai would be a much better name.
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Anyway I appreciate the effort you’re putting in.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 126

Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 125

Background Pony #B191
@Admin
First, thanks for putting in the time and effort to build out the site and reaching out to the community for feedback. Both are really big tasks and I just want to show some appreciation for it. I think given the circumstances this site is the only workable solution to the AI art issue for a community like ours, but it’s still a lot of work.
I have a question about the future of “machine learning abomination” images. According to a plain reading of the quality guidelines it seems stuff like that isn’t going to be accepted and would probably be removed, but on the other hand some of it is hilarious (example). Would this be something decided on a case-by-case basis as long as it’s properly tagged at submission? Like, if it’s so obvious that someone isn’t trying to sneak in a poor piece as a good one?
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 124

IWTCIPP

@Admin
That tag list seems about right. I would want to see clear descriptions for each tag explaining when they do and don’t apply (presumably each is meant to relate to some section of the quality guidelines) as otherwise things like “bad details” are very vague, but aside from that I don’t see anything concerning.
The lowest scoring image on the site is currently at -10, so the score threshold should probably be higher for now. I also think it might make sense to have exceptions for grimdark and grotesque images, since a low score for those can mean they’re actually high quality (and thus succeed in being upsetting/disgusting). Maybe have (score.lte:-5, -grimdark, -grotesque)?
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 123

Admin

Administrator
@Background Pony #9ED6
The “Verified” status and tag limit are currently separate. One of the devs has been poked about making them dependent.
@IWTCIPP
@Background Pony #9ED6
re: tagging over “rules”, we’re considering it.
Would a list like this make sense for “tags we care about”, along with an additional “Quality” default filter that includes these (plus, say, score.lte:-25)?
ghost signature
obtrusive watermark
bad hands -> bad anatomy
deformed limbs -> bad anatomy
merging body -> bad anatomy
bad face -> bad anatomy
bad bg character
bad details
bad background
bad text
Separately, I was prodded elsewhere by someone “asking” why we ban style LORAs; I don’t know where this comes from but the term “LORA” isn’t even anywhere in our rules, and the rules (as amended recently based on, you know, people actually talking with us) and FAQ are fairly clear that we only really care about impersonation; as in, genning an image in the style of Artist Bob in order to take commissions as Bob, or creating “contentious stuff” that others might think Bob made themselves and would affect their reputation.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 122

Adorable Blue Fox

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@Background Pony #9ED6
Does the dump include tag metadata like categories, descriptions, implications, and aliases?
Yes, it does. It also includes the tag changes.
I’ve already exported the difference between derpibooru and tantabus, which can be found here. However, this isn’t an import tool, just a list.
If the admins/mods want, I could also have that option in the import tool. I have the script ready already because I imported all the tags to my dev environment for testing, which has all the categories, descriptions, implications, aliases, and a few others. I just need to modify it to search for existing tags and update them.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 121

Background Pony #9ED6
@Admin
Tagging (and filtering by it) would be good, but I’m not sure there’s the bandwidth for that; as in, uploaders probably wouldn’t tag their own stuff with “negative tags”, so there’d need to be a fair number of active users going around curating each image. It would be an additional workload, albeit distributed on more people that just mods, and avoid “unnecessary deletions”, but could also fail if there aren’t enough people going at it.
The bandwidth will be demanded in any circumstance; uploaders will be expected to notice aberrant qualities and either refrain from posting, or tag them, and because people are imperfect, users will thereafter be expected to notice them and either report or fix missing tags. There are tradeoffs in the differences between the workloads - it’s more work for uploaders and users to notice and identify all of the specific abnormalities to tag each of them in a useful way, vs. more work for moderators to review and take action on any image that would need deletion. In either case, there would also be roughly equal moderation workload to hand out repercussions to uploaders who routinely break the rules, whether the rule is to tag or to refrain from posting.
Annalee: I wonder though if that limit could be controlled with the same switch that says whether your uploads go into the approval queue or not? I’ll ask staff.
Update: This is possible, but will take some work to achieve. Sorry for the inconvenience in the meantime.
BigBuggyBastage: Seems like the easy solution would be to maintain the tagging limit on anonymous/BgP users, and substantially increase it for registered users (or at least those who’ve been around for a while).
Annalee: I think that might be how we head - just like what currently happens for people uploading images.
As far as I know, that is in fact already the way philomena works: “verified” accounts are not subject to the tag change limits, while logged-out and “unverified” accounts are. Account verification is performed by moderators by hand, intended to be based only on the user’s record of good behavior on the site, not any kind of “verification” of identity like the word often means on other social media. The site is supposed to automatically alert moderators about accounts who have uploaded their 5th approved image to be reviewed for verification. That’s the exact same state as for being exempt from the approval queue.
There’s also a special permission for especially trusted accounts to be exempt from the 5-second interval between tag changes - I have that over on Derpibooru. Haven’t registered here yet, though.
@Adorable Blue Fox
I just looked at the nightly dump […]
Does the dump include tag metadata like categories, descriptions, implications, and aliases? While certainly there is a lot in there that’s totally irrelevant here (like artist tags and their aliases) there is also a LOT lot that still would be, like shipping tags and characters. There’s an open invitation to figure out a tool to import tag configurations.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 120

Admin

Administrator
Heyas; huge thanks for working on this! Once you’re happy with the code one of the more technically minded mods will have a look into getting it working.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 119

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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 116

Admin

Administrator
@Minus
Well, that’s a summary of intent; the actual rule wording there is
Do not attempt to deceive or mislead regarding the origins or creators of an image. Regarding artists in the pony and furry fandoms, this can include copying their signature, or perfectly mimicking their unique style (combined with themes) to the point viewers would believe it’s their work.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 115

Minus

“Style copying” only affects when the style is mimicked perfectly
Is the kind of confusing phrasing I expected and feared. Because even the artists themselves don’t get their own style perfect sometimes. The intent of this rule should be stated without room for misunderstandings like flagging art for being “too good” in one person’s eyes. This is the last thing you mods should want. So remove that line entirely and just focus on the impersonation part, whether it be intentional, or accidental by including an AI generated artist’s signature. These are the problems that need reporting, not for every piece of art posted here with detailed anatomy to get misflagged as copying aer0 zer0.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 114

Adorable Blue Fox

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I’ve created the import tool and successfully tested it in my development environment. Here’s a preview of a small sample of the data it migrated:
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Features:
  • Comment Importation: Seamlessly imports comments from a CSV file exported from the Derpibooru nightly dump into a PostgreSQL database.
  • Comment Updates: Updates existing comments in the database if they already exist, utilizing a mapped JSON file created during the first run.
  • User Anonymity Handling: Manages user anonymity for users who do not exist in the system.
  • Comment Suffix Details: Adds suffix details to comments based on user existence status.
  • Configurable Import Delay: Processes comments with a configurable delay between each import.
  • Batch Importing: Imports comments in batches, optimizing performance.
  • Callback Features: Includes callback functionality for various columns such as:
    • Match users based on usernames (since IDs differ across sites)
    • link comments to images based on descriptions containing the source URL and ID.
Additionally, if preferred the import user can be anonymous:
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Just need to do some edge casing & checks and I’ll share the code, and it’ll need to be run by someone who has PostgreSQL access.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 113

Background Pony #B191
@Adorable Blue Fox
Thank you, adorable blue fox!
I was wondering if I’d have to port some “story in the comments” over manually. So you’re confident you’ll be able to help get the comments imported and posted to the right pages mostly automatically?
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 112

Adusak90

Background pony enjoyer
@Annalee
I was mostly just jesting with it (though it is annoying to someone who really likes to add random tags) as I know it was put in place as a preventive measure and it’s better safe than sorry with vandals. I know that since I used to battle with them on wikis back in the day.
I was just caught off guard since I don’t recall something like this being on Derpi back when I had energy, motivation and time to add “[species] oc” tags every day.
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Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 111

Adorable Blue Fox

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@Admin
I can collect all the ai content image comments; I have the script ready.
There are an estimated 29,381 images in total, with at least one comment on the first 317 pages (50 images per page) sorted on comment count.
I will collect the images with a 5 second delay between each request to avoid rate-limiting and server performance issues.
So, it’ll take approximately 23 hours to process all the images with comments.
For now, I will store the collected comments until Philomena’s development allows for importing comments. When that capability is available, we can decide whether to assign all comments to anonymous users, considering that most users who initially made the comments won’t exist on this site.
I have my dev environment for Philomena, so I’ll likely work on a solution for this. No promises at this stage, though.
Let me know whether to proceed or if you need any details from me.
EDIT:
I just looked at the nightly dump and found that the comments are part of it. Technically, the script to save all the comments via API is useless, and I can do it locally.
The only difference between the API and the dump is the saving of the user profile picture at that time, but if the comments are going to be posted anonymously or something else entirely, then it wouldn’t matter.
EDIT 2:
All the comments are now exported, and there are a total of 50,548 comments on images with the tag ai content and 42,435 comments on ai generated. I will have to export again before January 6, 2025, to get the most updated information.

Site and Policy » Opening Thread » Post 110

Admin

Administrator
Unfortunate news; due to a major project ongoing for philo and limited dev resources, it’s looking fairly unlikely there will be any official porting of comments.
Someone wanting to have a crack at it should poke us first to avoid any sudden rate limits or potential bugs (comment reading is available through current API, posting however is not).
Sorry
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