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@LemonDrop
I doubt that would make everyone flock to this site right afterwards. Rather would try to push enabling style LoRAs or something useful. Twibooru’s trending is far too cursed usually.

@Delly
Sorry I thought I was using the definition the world uses:

Also there’s already alternatives like Twibooru, and people are already preferring them over this site. If you wanna kill the site though be my guest. I am just trying to give some advice.

@LemonDrop
Cool.

Create your own platform with your own redefinitions and interpretation of terms. The project this site runs on is FOSS, so noone’s stopping you.

The rules will not be changing here.

@Clopxie
That doesn’t make much sense, in any digital art the computer is doing all the generation of the information. The human simply provides input as all these things are tools. For digital art the tool is something like Photoshop and the inputs are a series of tablet motion inputs, for 3D art the tool is Blender and the inputs are bit more complex but similar, and for AI art the tool is some AI model and the inputs are a series of prompts and etc combined with potentially other digital art methods.

The computer is always the direct “creator” of digital art as far as what entity is actually putting the values into memory, but in terms of creator we mean which human artist was the one driving the process. As I said before, the purpose of an artist tag is to find more similar stuff to such work, the AI model should be listed too to find more art that was created with such a model in a similar fashion, but the creator or artist is referring to the human behind the process as that’s what people are interested in finding more of in that case.

This is why everyone here is an artist fwiw, you are driving a creative process so you are projecting your vision into what the AI is creating just like any other digital art process. It is not like these are just totally random outputs without any artistry behind them, even a single word prompt is enough to start guiding something in an artist direction. All these methods involve iterative refinement of ideas to reach some “goal” you have in your mind, they just use different methods of doing so. Acting like art needs to be “hard” to be valid is just nonsense, the true ideal of art would be to beam people’s thoughts directly into some sharable medium such that people can express themselves creatively without that being “locked” behind a difficult amount of mechanical skill or something that some do not have the time or ability to achieve. AI is just one step in getting closer to that ideal. Of course the most impressive art will always reflect what has the most effort put into it or is the most creatively inspired which is just something that will always vary, but yeah it’s certainly wrong to discount art just because it’s “bad” or because it’s “trivial” to create.

@Bendy and Boney
Done. I did former into latter, can always be reversed if that name is preferred.

https://tantabus.ai/search?q=generator%3Aautismmix+confetti should be an alias for https://tantabus.ai/tags/generator-colon-autismmix_confetti
(and https://tantabus.ai/tags/generator-colon-autismmix+pony should be one for https://tantabus.ai/tags/generator-colon-autismmix_pony)

@Zerowinger
Done.

@Background Pony #4F98
And done, except the OCs that imply it, because I don’t want to look up each individual tag as I am unsure which ones are here or not, and I know I can look at Derpi for what it has, but what do we have?

Linking things directly helps save a lot of time and effort.

Should imply “twilight sparkle” and “alicorn.”

@LightningBolt
Well on derpi its

Aliases: equestria at war, eaw

Implied by
oc:river swirl, oc:starry night (eaw), oc:rosa maledicta, oc:grover vi, oc:ferdinand dawnclaw, oc:alexander kemerskai, oc:giulio beakolini, oc:archon eros vii, oc:gabriela eagleclaw, oc:wingfried von katerinburg, oc:auburn leaf, oc:lucent eclipse, oc:caramel marks, equestria rises still (equestria at war submod)

Detailed description:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1826643372

And it should have same color like “them’s fightin’ herds” tag aka pink

Personally I feel like “prompter” is the most fitting description. I definitely wouldn’t consider myself an artist, even though I often do some editing on my pics. Like removing extra fingers and adding missing ones, or removing extra legs wings or other issues like that. At least for me, that amount of drawing and editing isn’t enough to qualify myself as an artist.

Even “creator” sounds a bit odd to me, as I’m telling the computer to create something instead of creating it myself.
If I give the computer prompts and it does the work, I’m a prompter. If I were to draw a pony and generate the background, I’d consider myself an artist who creates AI assisted art, so I’d be happy with being called either an artist or a creator.

So at least in my mind the current tags make perfect sense and there’s no reason to start messing with them.

@Adorable Blue Fox
Spoiler images will likely not be carried over so those won’t be part of it, but that could be useful otherwise, thanks.

@SpikeyTum
Thank you for finding that! There’s so many little details in philomena that are baked into the code. Maybe because the idea that ‘other sites will have authors instead of artists’ is just so different than what it was originally created to do that making it ‘a thing that you decide and configure once’ seemed like a waste of work.

So, thanks to all of you for putting up the ‘still moving in’ gotchas here, and for letting us know when you find something weird or wrong.

IDK if this is useful or makes anything more manageable, but I’ve compiled a list of tags with missing details, such as the spoiler image, implies and the category.

I’ve also got a list of tags that also check for the descriptions and aliases.

The list is extensive, so it is sorted based on the derpibooru’s tag image count.

@Background Pony #4F98
It is known, low priority.
@Background Pony #4F98
Please provide more detail.

Derpibooru exclusive is for art uploaded solely to Derpibooru by its original creator. Images on Tantabus originally on Derpi were automatically imported and can’t be considered the prompter/artist’s official upload. Also, images here originally on Derpibooru will remain there as well until January 6, invalidating images that were imported by their creator.

Same as “equestria at war mod” dont have it short names and pink color

All (or well most of not sure about all) “Stupid sexy X” missing “X” character

@tyto4tme4l
Done.
@Zerowinger
Also done.

Backing up a bit from the deeper conversation here, I’d just like to please suggest that the upload page is updated, so that the primary prefix is used when using the ‘fetch’ button.

Right now, it defaults to “artist:”, so I have to change it to “prompter:”.

https://tantabus.ai/tags/alicornified
Should imply “alicorn” and “race swap.”

https://tantabus.ai/tags/starlicorn
Should imply “starlight glimmer” and “alicornified” and its associated tags.

https://tantabus.ai/tags/trixiecorn
Should imply “trixie” and “alicornified” and its associated tags.

https://tantabus.ai/tags/shimmercorn
Should imply “sunset shimmer” and “alicornified” and its associated tags.

“Drool” is missing aliases “saliva, slobber, drooling”
https://tantabus.ai/tags/drool

Which is why the editor tag will be set to work with ai composition, at least for starters (and we may just move to artist in the long run).

I feel like you haven’t even bothered looking into how this is being handled here, or on derpi, and just want to complain. And yap.

@Admin
So what about all the AI art that is more than just entering a prompt? Surely you know some people use inpainting or edit a photo manually in Photoshop. The only term which encapsulates what people are doing is artist, prompting is merely describing part of the toolchain. It’d be like calling all digital artists “Photoshop interactors” or “tablet scribblers” as that’s a more literal descriptor of what actions they are doing, but it fails to encapsulate why exactly they are using those tools (to create art), and is of course needlessly specific to the point of not being a consistent thing to tag stuff with. Info like what sort of prompt, model and other tools one uses and etc is just information you’d put in the description in this case. Being needlessly reductionist like that is just understandably insulting to people trying to practice an artform lol.

There’s nothing stopping you here (or there) from having an associated tag.

Which makes the term meaningless, so why vie for having the tag called “artist” and not something more descriptive (ie. useful) of what the person actually did to create something?

If everyone is an artist for everything they create, then the term has no meaning at all. But this is an imageboard, a place where people fastidiously try to categorize things.

And for such purposes, there’s a distinction made between prompter (someone that enters a prompt and some settings into a generator to get an image), editor (someone that edits already existing work in minor ways), and artist (someone that creates something wholly new). Derpi also has photographer, which likely won’t apply here, and if either place hosted fics there’d also be a writer tag.

Wanting so much to be labelled “artist” comes off as either some sort of extreme pedantry about the term, or revanchism over twitter etc. having been so hostile against generative AI.

@Admin
Well it sounds like you’re just trying to control what art can be. Bananas taped to walls are art and blaming contemporary artists and society in general for thinking so is not gonna work. It doesn’t mean you have to appreciate those types of art but I don’t see why you think other people cannot. You have some vision of what you want all art to to be like but it’s not going to align with everyone else’s and that’s probably not a good mindset for running an art site.

“Artist” is not a descriptor of status, rather one describing an activity. This is why everyone is an artist at some point essentially as everyone will perform this activity to some extent through their life to creatively express themselves. Most people will not claim to be an artist when talking about their career/hobby or whatever though because generally in that context you’re choosing which activity you practice the most or have the most skill in (even if you’ve say dabbled in art just like everyone else has). Tags are purely describing what is going on with a given work, not what someone’s occupation is, so person who created the art is an artist and it’s not trying to claim that’s their main career path. Simple as that.

I for instance have created some art pieces on Derpi as well as some photography as I do both things occasionally with my time, but I would not describe my main choice of hobby as either of those and only mention it if I was making a list to rank which ones I practice from most to least. I wouldn’t say that means I don’t deserve a tag though so people can’t find the things I’ve done as again it’s not an indicator of skill level or mastery, just a grouping of common things based on creator.